M26 Mass as underslung attachment

CptKeesi
FI Angeworben: 2011-10-27
2012-04-09 23:42
I've been wondering for a while now, why does M26 MASS work on some rifles and on some it doesn't? Imo there should be some kind of consistency in it, like bullpup weapons can't have the nice things for their own obvious perks, whereas other guns should have that option.
I see some people making a point in M26 being an american made weapon, thus doesn't fit on russian rifles, yet my bro succeeded putting it on AK-74. Even if that was a legit reason, russian made weapons should have a similiar weapon system available, at least for balance's sake (the same way they have GP-30 grenade launcher).
Now the reason i'm troubled by this "feature" is that i'm quite fond of AN-94, yet M26 won't fit it, even if being the kind of a weapon that propably would benefit the most from it. With the new changes to weapon mods, heavy barrel has made AN-94's hipfire accuracy piss poor, and using foregrip is a no go. Nothing to complain here, it's all good for me, one weapon can't dominate on all ranges. It's just that on those close quarter fights where AN-94 is the under dog, fixing it with a shotty would cover for it's weaknesses, even better than a G18 as a side arm does. Of course having it as a stand alone wouldn't help much, the enemies will have me killed by the time i'm done switching to a different weapon, whereas underslung attachments are viable to be drawn in the middle of a fire fight.
I kind of have a feeling this is one nasty bug that's been forgotten, simply because M26 is extremely unpopular (maybe because of the said bug); i've only seen it couple of times in action. I'm myself tired of picking M320 each time just because i can't have what i want, chugging explosives everywhere like it was cool gets old.

What''s your opinion? Should it be left as an american rifle attachment, which is propably more authentic? Or should the player be able to pick their guns, not attachments?
MajiN-RincX
NL Angeworben: 2011-10-26
2012-04-10 00:07
Some weapons have an underslung rail and some dont. Its probably based on real life weapons
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Moonfelled
Angeworben: 2011-11-19
2012-04-10 00:13
I questioned way the AN and AEK wouldn't except the M26 and only the AK did. Doesn't really make sense to me if you can have the AK with the M26 underslung while the AEK and the AN can't accept it despite being of a similar design of the AK..
Honestly, since you can pick your guns, it should be that sort of thing, or at least find a Russian-made master-key that can be the variant to the US made M26, like what they did to the M320 and GP-30.
Well, I guess you can always have the GP-30 with buckshot to compensate for the CQC, as it does reload faster then the M320 imo.

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The_Beast3233
US Angeworben: 2011-10-24
2012-04-10 00:14
Why not just switch to the MASS, it's just as fast as using the underslung rail. I see no problem here
lvlimestoner
US Angeworben: 2012-01-06
2012-04-10 00:48
In the really real world, the bullpup guns don't have railspace to mount big ole attachments up front, and it owulnd't work anyways as it ruins the whole point of making rifles in said config.

Then, because the game is silly and assumes only NATO weapons will use it, and not any weapons, you're not able to stick it on the front of any of the Soviet rifles.

Rails is rails. Object attaches to rails. Move on with and let me stick the M26 on the bottom of anything.

As to WHY? Because cowitnessed sites are important, and because like Billy in Predator, I want a MF'ing shotgun under my MF'ing rifle, kay?
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Gabageman
US Angeworben: 2011-10-24
2012-04-10 00:55
Thought this thread was going to be about something else. GLAD IT'S NOT
DashiePooh
US Angeworben: 2011-10-29
2012-04-10 06:33
Agree, I was sad to unlock my AN-94 only to find out I cant have my m26 on it.
WandererInRain
Angeworben: 2011-10-25
2012-04-10 07:25
G3 can only have M26 on it, but no M320. Probably intentional. Maybe it is just the design of the gun.
CptKeesi
FI Angeworben: 2011-10-27
2012-04-10 11:58
A-RosarioForYou said:
I questioned way the AN and AEK wouldn't except the M26 and only the AK did. Doesn't really make sense to me if you can have the AK with the M26 underslung while the AEK and the AN can't accept it despite being of a similar design of the AK..
Honestly, since you can pick your guns, it should be that sort of thing, or at least find a Russian-made master-key that can be the variant to the US made M26, like what they did to the M320 and GP-30.
Well, I guess you can always have the GP-30 with buckshot to compensate for the CQC, as it does reload faster then the M320 imo.
Indeed, if it fits AK, it should also fit AEK and AN, their outer design is pretty much the same.
I've give the M320 buckshot some thought, but it's still only a one-shot shotty without other ammo types, such as darts. Also, M26 looks good under a weapon, unlike GP-30 ^_^

The_Beast3233 said:
Why not just switch to the MASS, it's just as fast as using the underslung rail. I see no problem here
Of course there's a difference! Underslung weapons are drawn back and forth way faster than stand-alone weapons. If you got jumped in a CQC situation, you wouldn't have the time to pick up that stand-alone M26, just like drawing a better suited pistol usually happens too late. Also, using it as an attachment, i could use my holo sights with the shotty, although i'd probs just use the rifle in ranges where ADS is a must.
777Irish777
US Angeworben: 2011-10-30
2012-04-10 23:57
G3A3 Holo, Rail, heavy barrel Plus the M26MASS im at 185 kills and counting with it =)
SkriLLexV1
DE Angeworben: 2011-10-27
2012-04-11 16:09
best gun
L4SKE
SE Angeworben: 2011-10-26
2012-04-11 19:54
this problem is frustrating. I understand bullpup weapons not mounting underslung attachments, but other weapon should be capable of doing it. I've used the G3 and m16 with the m26 a lot, there's a BIG difference in switching between the m26 and primary if you compare having it separate.
There's no logic in what weapons can or can't use it, except for the bullpup ones ofc. The m26 really is the best shotgun in the game hands down :)
SillySpree
Angeworben: 2011-10-28
2012-04-11 19:56
777Irish777 said:
G3A3 Holo, Rail, heavy barrel Plus the M26MASS im at 185 kills and counting with it =)

That's because it's glitched.
I--Sh0gun--I
CA Angeworben: 2011-10-25
2012-04-11 21:22
M26 underslung is bugged to hell and back. It's so grossly, game-breakingly broken that I've lost all taste for BF3 for the moment until it's fixed. One-shot kills from 30-50 yards... unless you're suppressed, in which case, quite hilariously, you can't even kill a guy at point blank square in the chest.

I urge everyone to do go G3 w/ HBar+Underslung+M26 Dart if you want to get far more kills than your skill level deserves! Exploit it to its fullest, spread the word! Hopefully when everyone's running around with the same thing we might see quicker action on fixing this.
S3xYLeannaDecker
US Angeworben: 2011-11-01
2012-04-11 21:24
stop complaining or you will ruin this game even further
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Member13
FI Angeworben: 2011-10-31
2012-04-11 22:48
DaSh0gun said:
M26 underslung is bugged to hell and back.
Wow, I never really tested this gun until tonight, but you are indeed right. This is so overpowered (= bugged) in comparison to all other shotguns.
noahtheghost
US Angeworben: 2011-10-25
2012-10-08 16:36
If you read the description of sights like the Kobra RDS it says it's been modified to fit the rails of other rifles. I see no reason we couldn't do this with under-mounted launchers and shot-guns and well.
moriz0
CA Angeworben: 2011-10-25
2012-10-08 19:57
nice thread rez.

as for the M26 underslung, it is currently bugged. its damage dropoff starts at 8 meters, instead of its own dropoff which is 12 meters for buckshot, and 15 meters for darts. or in other words, using the M26 as an underslung attachment makes it statistically worse than using it on its own.

it also deploys in the same speed as a regular weapon switch, so there's no speed benefit from having it as an underslung.

don't ever use it as an underslung attachment. if you're using the M26 with a standard rifle like the M16, do yourself a favour and use the bipod attachment, to force the M26 as a standalone weapon.