Support Gadgets need to be looked into Dice...

Claymore: needs to stay after you die. The way it is now promotes camping. I say this because I'm guilty of just that. Engineers can keep all six of their mines on the field without having to worry about losing them do to a death. Support can only deploy two on the field and can't die because they will be lost in the process. Make them how they were.

C4: Needs to stay after death but cannot be detonated upon respawn, nuff said...

Mortor: this gadget is totally un-useable now, and broken on some maps whereas it can't be deployed ( I'm looking at you grand bazaar ). I understand they can't be deployed in your spawn area, but what if your being spawn-camped and mortored by the enemy team? Counter mortor? Nope, have to leave your spawn area to do that, and even then my range would be too close to the enemy mortor if he's right next to our spawn. I also run the risk of getting knifed, shot, blown-up, while I try to push the enemy team back out of our spawn area.

Plus, you increase the time it takes to shoot the mortor AND increase the time it takes to drop AND less damage. If your going to increase the time it takes me to hardly get a kill, at least buff the damage.

Out of all these gadgets the mortor has been too heavily nerfed and seems useless and broken on some maps. I never had a problem with the so- called mortor spamming people were complaining about. If your being mortored, here's some helpful advice: MOVE. From what I seen, mortor spamming only happens when there's more then one support hitting the same area.

Never had a problem with people using mortors in their base. I consider that an easy target to counter mortor, simply because you know exactly where they are. Dice please re-evaluate this patched mortor because right now it is near useless compared to all the other gadget including other classes gadgets. All I see support using now is C4, so that must tell you something, Wright?

DICE realised how much Gustav Halling failed at implementing the mortar into the game and have nerfed his obomination into oblivion. Hopefully, he gets replaced and someone with a brain makes Armored Kill.

totally agree

Mortars used to be a minor irritation. Now I don't even notice them. Dice catering to the whiners

I also have issues with the way dice made this game from a tactical shooter to a run and gun due to suppression, recoil, spread, etc. Boy do I miss those beta days when running around and (halo) jumping like a chicken with your head cut off would get you killed. Ranged combat was mostly the norm in the beta with a bit of CQC, like in BC2. Now its all about CQC with a bit of ranged combat while running the risk of being stabbed by a hoppin bobbin CQC ninja, or just getting shot from behind because it took too many bullets to bring down that ranged target and was seen on the mini-map by the enemy team shooting almost an entire clip.

The reason it was changed so you couldn't deploy it in spawn is because people on this forum couldn't be bothered to counter the mortar with a mortar, they are far to busy playing assault to change class for a minute or so.

I loved the fact that the only way to counter a spawn mortar guy was to mortar, it was an easy kill, mortar kills are not easy since they nerfed it's splash damage to nothing but when you mortar a mortar guy it kills with one shot, you kill him and then continue playing, basically a free kill.

I agree with C4 and the claymores, but they should disappear if you change class, but so should mines. In fact all gadgets should stay, until you redeploy them or change class including medic and ammo packs, C4 is the only one that should be slightly different.

Recon would need a way to use the already deployed SOFLAM / MAV instead of being forced to deploy a new one after a respawn though, but that can't be to hard to achieve.

Mortars are completely worthless now. They weren't even any good before, one person with a mortar is not doing much to help his team, especially when there's only 24 players.

Bump for life...hey moderator, can you send our concerns about this topic to dice before it gets lost to some of these " rate the player above you, cry nerf " threads...

Neddy990 said:
The reason it was changed so you couldn't deploy it in spawn is because people on this forum couldn't be bothered to counter the mortar with a mortar, they are far to busy playing assault to change class for a minute or so.

I loved the fact that the only way to counter a spawn mortar guy was to mortar, it was an easy kill, mortar kills are not easy since they nerfed it's splash damage to nothing but when you mortar a mortar guy it kills with one shot, you kill him and then continue playing, basically a free kill.

I agree with C4 and the claymores, but they should disappear if you change class, but so should mines. In fact all gadgets should stay, until you redeploy them or change class including medic and ammo packs, C4 is the only one that should be slightly different.

Recon would need a way to use the already deployed SOFLAM / MAV instead of being forced to deploy a new one after a respawn though, but that can't be to hard to achieve.

Finally someone who make some sense instead of whining about everything! I love doing counter mortar even after the patch - it's so much fun setting up my mortar and dropping a round on someone who should have moved his mortar position 2 minutes ago.

Agree

archonchess said:
Claymore: needs to stay after you die. The way it is now promotes camping. I say this because I'm guilty of just that. Engineers can keep all six of their mines on the field without having to worry about losing them do to a death. Support can only deploy two on the field and can't die because they will be lost in the process. Make them how they were.

C4: Needs to stay after death but cannot be detonated upon respawn, nuff said...

Mortor: this gadget is totally un-useable now, and broken on some maps whereas it can't be deployed ( I'm looking at you grand bazaar ). I understand they can't be deployed in your spawn area, but what if your being spawn-camped and mortored by the enemy team? Counter mortor? Nope, have to leave your spawn area to do that, and even then my range would be too close to the enemy mortor if he's right next to our spawn. I also run the risk of getting knifed, shot, blown-up, while I try to push the enemy team back out of our spawn area.

Plus, you increase the time it takes to shoot the mortor AND increase the time it takes to drop AND less damage. If your going to increase the time it takes me to hardly get a kill, at least buff the damage.

Out of all these gadgets the mortor has been too heavily nerfed and seems useless and broken on some maps. I never had a problem with the so- called mortor spamming people were complaining about. If your being mortored, here's some helpful advice: MOVE. From what I seen, mortor spamming only happens when there's more then one support hitting the same area.

Never had a problem with people using mortors in their base. I consider that an easy target to counter mortor, simply because you know exactly where they are. Dice please re-evaluate this patched mortor because right now it is near useless compared to all the other gadget including other classes gadgets. All I see support using now is C4, so that must tell you something, Wright?

I'm not whining, It's an issue that most mortor users have and needs to be addressed. Did I cry nerf, no. In my opinion Dice only had to make some tweaks and fixes, not give us a whole other game. During beta everything was OP, you went down after 4-5 shots from any gun ( except sniper ). Not many players were doing what they do now in this game because of all these nerfs. I don't want COD gameplay in my battlefield...

Gustave Halling is also making the artillery for Armoured Kill , If people bitched about mortars they are going to flip out about Artillery.

+1 agree with OP on all points. Nothing more annoying than having to relay my claymores again.

Bump for the Devs

Yes, yeeess, let's keep thread alive. Dice or mods needs to see this...

+1 Totally Agree with OP

I agree with op especially with the mortar. Almost all my kills with the mortar are counter mortoring people. Just hard head people stuck to a specific class could not handle changing classes for a minute.... claymores need to stay . Either way the c4 staying or not dont bother me

I agree, it is ridiculous that claymores dissapear when you die now. Because of the fact that they dissapear, the person laying those claymores down is just laying in a corner trying not to die rather than going out there and helping his team.

As for the mortars, it is absolutely inconceivable that you can't mortar from your deployment now. It is honestly so sad to see some guy having to mortar from the middle of a flag on Seine Crossing. If you are getting mortared, then be a team player and get out your mortar and take him out!

The patch honestly turned this game into more of a "run & gun" kind of playstyle rather than the "teamwork wins you battles" kind of playstyle we previously had. They made some parts of the game better and ruined other parts of it, like flying. Can someone please tell me why a tank can dominate the air now?

Seeeee Dice, I'm getting more people agreeing with me then those saying adapt. How are you supposed to adapt to something that is fundamentally flawed. Keep it coming guys. Majority outweighs minority.

I'm also going to make a topic about all the things that are wrong about this patch, which is not much. The patch did fix some things that that last patch ruined and then some.

I just died 3 times in a row by a mortar. What class should I pick hmmmmm yes recon. These are they guys that had it changed. The ones that were to stupid to change classes