Archangel990 said:Its not a generalization. The time it takes a jet to come and strafe infantry units is a matter of seconds. By the time 1 eng fires and gets the pilot to pop flares, the pilot is already out of range before the eng can reload.
Treborlavok said:That isn't a fact. Yet again, it's a generalization.
&amp;quot;You seem to be missing my point entirely. Im not talking about the pilots staying in the air like they should. im talking about the pilots that harass the infantry units.&amp;quot;
Thats my rebuttal. Go ahead, scroll back up and read it, its the first thing i started with.
Also as ace pilot, you should know that if your getting followed/damaged by an enemy jet there is no landing and repairing. Its either fly or die. If you get hit by a stinger/igla, as it is now yes you can fly away safely below radar land and repair and come back and repeat the process.
my facts are facts, this isnt an opinion, its the mechanics of the game. It takes a minimum of 3 infantry units to take down 1 jet pilot. 1 to pop his flares, 1 to disable, 1 to kill. Thats IF he doesnt get below radar and just fly away scott free. So again, im waiting for your response to my side of the argument. and yet you seem to yet again revert to trying to change the subject and using insults.
Name ONE fact, and I'll treat you seriously. Otherwise, your side is unsubstantiated and will never win.
Jav/soflam is a great combo yes. But if the pilot is flying below radar he will easily avoid and take out that giant laser pointer.
The whole point of this discussion is this...
Jets are the top of the food chain, yes. But, even the great white shark has to be weary to not stray from his kingdom less he be left out to dry and out in the open.
Jets SHOULD control ALL air and ground vehicles. BUT jets should NOT be able to come into meters of the battlefield and destroy enemy infantry. They need to stay up in their kingdom of the sky and take out vehicles to help their infantry units advance and take and keep objectives. Jets are NOT the gods of the game. Every class/vehicle has a role in this game. If you step outside of that role you SHOULD be killed because your stepping into someone elses kingdom. ;)
Jets are not stepping out of their role if they aren't getting negative consequences, genius. It's a really ridiculous stance to take to suggest that a jet maximizing its potential while still being rather untouched is 'out of its role.'
A jet being out of its role is taxiing along the ground trying to capture flags. Attacking infantry and escaping unscathed is not out of its role because its point bounties are increased for no drawback.
I find it funny that this whole time you're arguing for jets being unbalanced, when in reality you're arguing that the players flying them are, which is suggesting that they (the players) are unbalanced because they are skillful:
'im talking about the pilots
that harass the infantry units.'
'If you get hit by a stinger/igla, as it is now yes you can fly away safely below radar land and repair and come back and repeat the process.' (obviously the jet isn't what's doing the flying away here)
'1 squad of 4 to take on 1 jet pilot
attacking infantry units ... So even in the best scenario, thats MAYBE 3 infantry to take down 1 pilot
Now, if you don't think they're skillful with their jet usage (implying that jets are easy enough to use that these pilots can be anyone at all), then please, show me a ridiculously impressive jet round that you never die in yourself. If what you're claiming is a fact, then literally EVERYONE that EVER LIVED or EVER WILL LIVE can easily evade stingers and attack infantry because of how their JETS function, completely irrelevant to the pilot's skill. If a newborn infant cannot avoid stingers, then your claim that JETS are unbalanced cannot feasibly hold. All you're left with is that the unbalance comes from pilots, which is my initial point: you despise player skill and are ruining video games for the rest of us, likely because you've found people better than you in them.
My closing statement: People are better than you. GET OVER IT, and become better yourself. Can't handle that? There are plenty more child
-friendly games out there that cater to players of... less capability like yourself. And before you try to argue that you're not unskilled, that these people you're whining about are not better than you, and that you are capable of surviving like ace pilots, then you automatically invalidate your own argument. You either:
A) Are incredibly unskilled and cannot cope with other players being better than you, so you try to nerf player skill by attacking something completely irrelevant (in this case, jets).
B) Are skilled yourself (which is a pretty ballsy claim, since it takes you ten minutes
to get a jet kill) but when you try to claim jets are unbalanced, you're only demonstrating that it is, in fact, your own skill at work, and not the jet. Hence, all those statements of yours that I quoted which criticized pilot skill make you a blatant hypocrite (and possibly even a lunatic, because you've been criticizing yourself as being the unbalanced one this entire time).
So, it's a choice between an unskilled crybaby with no argument, or a skilled hypocrite with no argument. I think you lost, friend. Good night.