Cheat-o-meter

RustedRoot
US Enlisted: 2011-11-02
2012-10-12 15:57
Hey all, I apologize if this has been asked before, but I searched and could not find the info I needed.

Recently a friend of mine I play BF3 with let me know he appealed a ban against me. I had no idea what he was talking about so I investigated myself. I went to PB Bans and and GGC bans and searched their ban lists for my name and GUID and could not find anything. I then came across this site:
http://cheatometer.hedix.de/ [cheatometer.hedix.de]

I plugged in my BF3 gamer name and loe-behold it says this:
other assessments 1 Bans, 0 Protections

Suspicious Stats
Class Weapon Stats Name Stats Value
GLOBAL - Kill-Assists-Percentage 4.11
Supporter M249 Headshot/Kill-Percentage 30.59

Now, I have no idea what any of this means, but how do I find out what this so called ban is even about?

I really could care less as I am not banned from playing BF3 nor will I ever be since I don't hack/cheat, but I would like to know what the above info actually means. Is it simply a "suspicion" thing or a legit ban placed against me for whatever reason? I do find that a 1 out of 3 kills a headshot kill considered suspicious....That's mostly laughable.
HUN_ViruZ_SWE said: i am not to stupid ti play but i am stupid:D i dont need be much unstupid to only play CQ:D
TheRobinGaming
NL Enlisted: 2011-10-27
2012-10-12 16:01 , edited 2012-10-12 16:01 by TheRobinGaming
Everyone has those suspicious stats:

Cheat-o-Meter
M60E4 Headshot/Kill-Percentage 30.25
M27 IAR Headshot/Kill-Percentage 33.33


Not really a reason to ban you for those "suspicious" stats.
I'm not RobinGaming from Machinima, damnit...
in7erceptor
GB Enlisted: 2011-10-28
2012-10-12 16:05 , edited 2012-10-12 16:06 by in7erceptor
It is flawed,my m8 has suspicous stats on a weapon,he only used it once and had a lucky round with it.Now he is branded as suspicous by that site.

Checked mine,was clean.Must mean im crap at Bf3.
RustedRoot
US Enlisted: 2011-11-02
2012-10-12 16:10
So, if I come across a game server and get a Game Disconnect message: Stated Reason: Hacking/Cheat, it most likely is because the admin of that server banned me from his/her particular server because he happened to come across my "suspicious stats" and banned me from his server simply because he/she "thinks" I might be cheating?

Wow, that was a run-on sentence...

Reason I ask is I came across one server in my favorites that I have played on since my BFBC2 days and the admin there recently banned me. I talked to my friends who still play on that server and the server admin's brother and the assessment is the admin simply banned me cause he thinks I cheat. Good reason I guess. but hey, to each his own.
HUN_ViruZ_SWE said: i am not to stupid ti play but i am stupid:D i dont need be much unstupid to only play CQ:D
Purp3L
US Enlisted: 2011-12-16
2012-10-12 16:12 , edited 2012-10-12 16:16 by Purp3L
Personally I don't put stock into any third party statistics scanner. No mathematical formula can compensate for my good judgement. The obvious exception to this can be PBBans and/or Metabans, but those have been established for a long time, and by this time work in tandem with games developers.

As for me...

Cheat-o-Meter said:
Suspicious Stats: Kill-Assists-Percentage 6.65


As for your ban, details can be found on Metabans here: http://metabans.com/player?i=2aS2 [metabans.com]
It appears to have come from "FOSS" whatever that means to you.
I think it's just a server admin who chose to ban you through Metabans in ProCon or something.

EDIT: It appears that FOSS is a group of people who ban based on stats accumulated through Metabans and the Cheat-o-Meter, and essentially making their own supplemental ban list. That seems a bit assuming of them, especially looking at the number of people they ban: http://metabans.com/FOSS [metabans.com]
:: Nathan "Purp3L" Hominiuk ::
TOWNmik0
SJ Enlisted: 2012-10-05
2012-10-12 16:14
Cheat-o-Meter is for the Admin who can't come up with enough evidence to ban someone so they plug your name into that and go hurr hurr caught ya. Metabans is just broken as a whole -_-.
Purp3L
US Enlisted: 2011-12-16
2012-10-12 16:17
Benevolenc3 said:
Cheat-o-Meter is for the Admin who can't come up with enough evidence to ban someone so they plug your name into that and go hurr hurr caught ya. Metabans is just broken as a whole -_-.


I couldn't agree more. PBBans is infinitely more reliable than stats-based bans.
:: Nathan "Purp3L" Hominiuk ::
COLMAC
US Enlisted: 2011-10-25
2012-10-12 16:17
cheat-0-meter says everyone that uses a LMG trypode that aims for the head a suspicious......
dont work unless you have 90% + headshot , then maybe its on.
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i129/colmacgivens/callofduty4gif.gif
RustedRoot
US Enlisted: 2011-11-02
2012-10-12 16:29 , edited 2012-10-12 16:33 by RustedRoot
I have no idea who or what FOSS is. I'm writing this off as a butt hurt admin.

And yes, it appears this FOSS person or group simply bans players based on a single stat. This does not ban them from playing per-say it just lists them.
http://metabans.com/assessment?i=dNP [metabans.com]


Funny.
HUN_ViruZ_SWE said: i am not to stupid ti play but i am stupid:D i dont need be much unstupid to only play CQ:D
OhMy_DrDeath
Enlisted: 2011-10-25
2012-10-12 16:30
Purpeltendire said:
Personally I don't put stock into any third party statistics scanner. No mathematical formula can compensate for my good judgement. The obvious exception to this can be PBBans and/or Metabans, but those have been established for a long time, and by this time work in tandem with games developers.

As for me...

Cheat-o-Meter said:
Suspicious Stats: Kill-Assists-Percentage 6.65


As for your ban, details can be found on Metabans here: http://metabans.com/player?i=2aS2 [metabans.com]
It appears to have come from "FOSS" whatever that means to you.
I think it's just a server admin who chose to ban you through Metabans in ProCon or something.

EDIT: It appears that FOSS is a group of people who ban based on stats accumulated through Metabans and the Cheat-o-Meter, and essentially making their own supplemental ban list. That seems a bit assuming of them, especially looking at the number of people they ban: http://metabans.com/FOSS [metabans.com]


What this guy says above. Their website is http://www.team.f-oss.fr/. [team.f-oss.fr]
Their server is http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/fr/servers/show/53456e94-01dc-4bfd-a53e-2ec141a8304e/FR-VeryGames-net-F-OSS-INF-AutoAdmin/ [battlelog.battlefield.com]
You can talk to them there about it.

These guys state they are using cheat-o-meter to assess people. If you have any suspicious stats they ban you, which is really dumb but there you go.
Cheat-o-meter is next to useless as a reliable assessment of someone cheating but it can point you to the stats that need further assessment. Your stats are not those of a cheater.

Madmins need to stop banning people on the basis of cheat-o-meter alone. It is DUMB.

Solution: Play on properly admined servers, such as ours.

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/en/servers/show/0a4a5382-6abc-41bc-908a-813f3f413bbd/Oh-My-Guts-TDM-500-tickets-42p-1p-Sta [battlelog.battlefield.com]
http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/servers/show/pc/64fd6612-5757-4c13-b81c-83dc6bde3e3f/Oh-My-Guts-TDM-400-tickets-64p-No-Rules/
RustedRoot
US Enlisted: 2011-11-02
2012-10-12 16:36
OhMy_DrDeath said:
Purpeltendire said:
Personally I don't put stock into any third party statistics scanner. No mathematical formula can compensate for my good judgement. The obvious exception to this can be PBBans and/or Metabans, but those have been established for a long time, and by this time work in tandem with games developers.

As for me...

Cheat-o-Meter said:
Suspicious Stats: Kill-Assists-Percentage 6.65


As for your ban, details can be found on Metabans here: http://metabans.com/player?i=2aS2 [metabans.com]
It appears to have come from "FOSS" whatever that means to you.
I think it's just a server admin who chose to ban you through Metabans in ProCon or something.

EDIT: It appears that FOSS is a group of people who ban based on stats accumulated through Metabans and the Cheat-o-Meter, and essentially making their own supplemental ban list. That seems a bit assuming of them, especially looking at the number of people they ban: http://metabans.com/FOSS [metabans.com]
What this guy says above. Their website is http://www.team.f-oss.fr/. [team.f-oss.fr]
Their server is http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/fr/servers/show/53456e94-01dc-4bfd-a53e-2ec141a8304e/FR-VeryGames-net-F-OSS-INF-AutoAdmin/ [battlelog.battlefield.com]
You can talk to them there about it.

These guys state they are using cheat-o-meter to assess people. If you have any suspicious stats they ban you, which is really dumb but there you go.
Cheat-o-meter is next to useless as a reliable assessment of someone cheating but it can point you to the stats that need further assessment. Your stats are not those of a cheater.

Madmins need to stop banning people on the basis of cheat-o-meter alone. It is DUMB.

Solution: Play on properly admined servers, such as ours.

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/en/servers/show/0a4a5382-6abc-41bc-908a-813f3f413bbd/Oh-My-Guts-TDM-500-tickets-42p-1p-Sta [battlelog.battlefield.com]


Thanks for the clarification DrDeath and thanks for the link to your server. I may play there sometime although it's a little high on the ping side for me. Thanks again though.
HUN_ViruZ_SWE said: i am not to stupid ti play but i am stupid:D i dont need be much unstupid to only play CQ:D
OhMy_DrDeath
Enlisted: 2011-10-25
2012-10-12 16:46
Purpeltendire said:
Personally I don't put stock into any third party statistics scanner. No mathematical formula can compensate for my good judgement. The obvious exception to this can be PBBans and/or Metabans, but those have been established for a long time, and by this time work in tandem with games developers.



Just to point out PBBans and GGC bans work on file integrity checks and screenshots. If you get banned by either of these you will be banned across all servers streaming to these. If you want to see what cheater screenshots look like, google GGC hall of shame.

Metabans , where OP is banned by Foss, is different and works differently. It is a way of sharing banlists between servers. You are NOT banned from all servers streaming to Metabans , only Foss's servers and any other servers following their banlist on Metabans (which isn't that many)

Ultimately, the responsibility for stupid bans rests with the server and admins that banned you. Go speak to them or, if it were me, I wouldn't bother and I'd just go play elsewhere.

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/en/servers/show/0a4a5382-6abc-41bc-908a-813f3f413bbd/Oh-My-Guts-TDM-500-tickets-42p-1p-Sta [battlelog.battlefield.com]
http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/servers/show/pc/64fd6612-5757-4c13-b81c-83dc6bde3e3f/Oh-My-Guts-TDM-400-tickets-64p-No-Rules/
hundbert
SE Enlisted: 2011-12-29
2012-10-12 16:48
It's their choice to use cheat-o-meter. Innocent players will be removed too but it's the only way to reliably remove cheaters for good. Some people are fed up with cheaters only getting their stats reset and that's all that happens. It has come to this now.

I don't like it but i can understand them.
Purp3L
US Enlisted: 2011-12-16
2012-10-12 16:53
OhMy_DrDeath said:
Purpeltendire said:
Personally I don't put stock into any third party statistics scanner. No mathematical formula can compensate for my good judgement. The obvious exception to this can be PBBans and/or Metabans, but those have been established for a long time, and by this time work in tandem with games developers.
Just to point out PBBans and GGC bans work on file integrity checks and screenshots. If you get banned by either of these you will be banned across all servers streaming to these. If you want to see what cheater screenshots look like, google GGC hall of shame.

Metabans , where OP is banned by Foss, is different and works differently. It is a way of sharing banlists between servers. You are NOT banned from all servers streaming to Metabans , only Foss's servers and any other servers following their banlist on Metabans (which isn't that many)

Ultimately, the responsibility for stupid bans rests with the server and admins that banned you. Go speak to them or, if it were me, I wouldn't bother and I'd just go play elsewhere.

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/en/servers/show/0a4a5382-6abc-41bc-908a-813f3f413bbd/Oh-My-Guts-TDM-500-tickets-42p-1p-Sta [battlelog.battlefield.com]


I'm a PBBans Streaming Admin, I know how it works. :p I was just using it as an example of how unreliable things like this Cheat-o-Meter are.
:: Nathan "Purp3L" Hominiuk ::
PereDucrasse
FR Enlisted: 2011-10-31
2012-10-12 16:54 , edited 2012-10-12 16:54 by PereDucrasse
Try a weapon for the first time kill 2 people with it. High precision, never touch the gun again.
You're now a patented hacker.
Biased stats sometimes^^
Play to win, not to whine!
RustedRoot
US Enlisted: 2011-11-02
2012-10-12 16:56
OhMy_DrDeath said:
Ultimately, the responsibility for stupid bans rests with the server and admins that banned you. Go speak to them or, if it were me, I


I went ahead and posted a message on their forums for my own peace of mind. I simply don't like being accused of something I don't or haven't done.

Hell, I even hate stat padding so much I won't even let you get that one EOD bot kill from me even if you are my friend. Earn that shit!
HUN_ViruZ_SWE said: i am not to stupid ti play but i am stupid:D i dont need be much unstupid to only play CQ:D
RefusedAMA
US Enlisted: 2011-10-26
2012-10-12 16:58 , edited 2012-10-12 16:59 by RefusedAMA
Listen guys, the only "Cheat-O-Meter" you need is ME.... Its a simple algorithm. If you score higher then ME... Your a cheater, plan and simple, thus banned. If you score less then ME, your good. If you tie ME, well, then youre Suspicious and worth further study, or maybe a ban if ME is busy.
Please don't go. The Drones need you. They look up to you.
JingleMyBalls
Enlisted: 2011-11-07
2012-10-12 17:00
Man you guys are so dumb LoL

Cheat 0 meter is brilliant.

It racks up ALL stats with the click of a button, and then YOU can make a judgement call on it .

So, instead of you going through EVERY one of the 100 weapons in the game, to see if you find the stats on it "suspecious" , cheat o meter just gives you the stats that COULD BE CONSIDERED "suspecious" .



35% headshot rate on LMG's can be called "fishy" or "suspecious" (in yellow, not even RED) . Since the best of the best players top out on headshot kill rate at 30% with ASSAULT rifles .

Now it's up to YOU to decide if you really find that particular stat fishy or not . Does he camp with a bipod in metro a lot ? Then 30 % headshot is not that weird. Does he play 64 TDM a lot with his M60 ?

Well, in that case you can bet your ass that 35% headshot is suspecious .

Also, if ONE metaban running admin bans you, this does NOT mean you are banned from every metaban server.

Before a full metaban ban, ALL your stats are examined very carefully . Find me an unjust FULL metaban , it should be really easy according to some of you .

Cheat o meter is an extremely handy tool to check ALL of the players stats with a single click. It then simply points out the stats that may be considered fishy, and then YOU can decide what to think of it.

Stop pissing on one of the VERY FEW defenses we have against cheaters.

Don't be stupid, and don't make a whine thread everytime you get banned by ONE admin
OhMy_DrDeath
Enlisted: 2011-10-25
2012-10-12 17:01 , edited 2012-10-12 17:14 by OhMy_DrDeath
hundbert said:
It's their choice to use cheat-o-meter. Innocent players will be removed too but it's the only way to reliably remove cheaters for good. Some people are fed up with cheaters only getting their stats reset and that's all that happens. It has come to this now.

I don't like it but i can understand them.



It is their choice. But I would say it is very unreliable. They also state that if cheat-o-meter shows ANY suspicious stats , they ban. Sorry, but I can voice my opinion about using cheat-o-meter.

And apologies to Purpeltendire, you confused me by mentioning PBBans and Metabans in same sentence.

JingleMyBalls said:
Before a full metaban ban, ALL your stats are examined very carefully . Find me an unjust FULL metaban , it should be really easy according to some of you.


That is not actually true. Individual admins make their assessment and there is no way to verify how carefully they have examined a player's stats. Metabans,itself, DOES NOT assess you at all. Metabans , as an entity, does not look at bans issued by servers at all.

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/en/servers/show/0a4a5382-6abc-41bc-908a-813f3f413bbd/Oh-My-Guts-TDM-500-tickets-42p-1p-Sta [battlelog.battlefield.com]
http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/servers/show/pc/64fd6612-5757-4c13-b81c-83dc6bde3e3f/Oh-My-Guts-TDM-400-tickets-64p-No-Rules/
Skyline567765
AU Enlisted: 2011-10-26
2012-10-12 17:14
I don't have anything to worry this cheatometer because I dont cheat. I guess those that are looking shady are probably sweating.