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Stinger/IGLA Lock-On Time

KorpusDraige
US Enlisted: 2011-10-29
2016-06-15 18:34
UFOGoldorak said:
KorpusDraige said:
UFOGoldorak said:
KorpusDraige said:
UFOGoldorak said:
KorpusDraige said:
UFOGoldorak said:
I don't even know what you are trying to say anymore. Thats a JDAM on my attack jet never laser guided, NOT an option, ever. Laser guided is on my stealth because thats the ONLY option. Heat seekers, Laser guided are useless in jets. You brought it up, its not an argument. I use neither. The "hand held" kills i have using laser guided pales in comparison to anything else. Probably a ratio of 50:1.

Its not about this game anymore its about where games keep heading. Its pandering to the masses. AUTOMATION has to stop. Hand holding has to stop.
Both of your Xbox One and Xbox 360 accounts have Laser Guided on your Attack Jet equipped, It's not hard to see.
Haha what?? I haven't had a X1/360 in ages! I don't even remember who was playing what on those systems.. Thats your sticking point?? Im pretty sure Ive shot off an igla and Im pretty sure Ive been in the MAA before as well wtf are you on about..

Try sticking to the point I know its hard for some folks.
Point is, some "pilots" rather have an easy route and have nothing to fight against. I don't like locks as much as the next guy, but I never wished all of them to be gone and understand the importance of infantry having a slightly fighting chance. If you can't handle a few locks, then I suggest you go to a new playstyle in this game.
This has nothing to do with the point of this thread. Point is reducing lock time for the sake of balancing the game. Point is that complete BS. Point is they are trying to make it so a single infantry unit == jet/chopper/tank when it shouldn't be that way. Do NOT, --> NOT <--, try to follow, do NOT take away locks, just make them a group effort. BC's dart, or soflam, or anything that uses up more than 1 infantry unit to offset 1 vehicle unit. The only 1:1 equal to a jet should be a jet. You said a few locks :) cute. You must cherry pick your servers bud.
Coming fromt he guy who earlier said only heli/jets should take out heli/jets.

I don't cherry pick my servers buddy, try harder next time. I've probably heard more lock tones during my playtime in a week than you have during your entire playtime on this game.
Nope, obviously this is going way past your head, try re-reading. The only thing that should be able to take out a -->GOOD<-- pilot is another good pilot. Otherwise there should be more of an EFFORT from infantry to take the jet down. Something other than stick your thumb up your bum and look up.

Well then I would suggest you go outside and do something better with your life bud. That's not something to be proud of kid.


The forum kid telling the other forum guy to go outside. Classic. If you're a "GOOD" pilot, then you should be able to handle yourself around such stuff, right? Right.
Jet Help: http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/forum/threadview/2955064784088148876/
Magic_Pepee
LT Enlisted: 2013-03-25
2016-06-15 19:07
i think you clearly know that he isn't a good pilot lol....
you probably know all the good pilots on your platform anyway, just like i know all the good tank drivers.
Trokey66
GB Enlisted: 2011-11-20
2016-06-15 19:39 , edited 2016-06-15 19:46 by Trokey66
UFOGoldorak said:
Trokey66 said:
KorpusDraige said:
UFOGoldorak said:
KorpusDraige said:
UFOGoldorak said:
I don't even know what you are trying to say anymore. Thats a JDAM on my attack jet never laser guided, NOT an option, ever. Laser guided is on my stealth because thats the ONLY option. Heat seekers, Laser guided are useless in jets. You brought it up, its not an argument. I use neither. The "hand held" kills i have using laser guided pales in comparison to anything else. Probably a ratio of 50:1.

Its not about this game anymore its about where games keep heading. Its pandering to the masses. AUTOMATION has to stop. Hand holding has to stop.
Both of your Xbox One and Xbox 360 accounts have Laser Guided on your Attack Jet equipped, It's not hard to see.
Haha what?? I haven't had a X1/360 in ages! I don't even remember who was playing what on those systems.. Thats your sticking point?? Im pretty sure Ive shot off an igla and Im pretty sure Ive been in the MAA before as well wtf are you on about..

Try sticking to the point I know its hard for some folks.
Point is, some "pilots" rather have an easy route and have nothing to fight against. I don't like locks as much as the next guy, but I never wished all of them to be gone and understand the importance of infantry having a slightly fighting chance. If you can't handle a few locks, then I suggest you go to a new playstyle in this game.
Game balance should me that any player with a bit of effort can enjoy the experience not just the person in Air. Current balance broadly allows this.
Please explain to me the EFFORT involved with a stinger/igla/MAA? I have no issue countering any of these "RISKS" you speak of but please explain to me this effort..? I have zero issues with being shot down. Its the amount of effort it took to bring me down. What effort was taken by the active radar that pointed the aircraft to the ground with zero chance of recovery? After taking out both jets and the MAA, using up most of my health and my counter measures, what effort was used by the level 10 nub on top of a mountain with a stinger? Yet you want to make that lock even shorter?? To balance? Ha, yeah... lots of effort. I would much rather go 10-10 in match battling good players on the other team then go 50-1 and have that one death be some random in a random spot on the map giving his MAXIMUM EFFORT waiting for a beep.
Pepe8D said:
Trokey66 said:
Game balance should mean that any player with a bit of effort can enjoy the experience not just the person in Air. Current balance broadly allows this.
that seems like a recipe for some cod-lite, some sort of battlefront like casual garbage. not a battlefield game, not by any chance
UFOGoldorak said:
^ no kidding. People are confusing game balancing with making the game fair for everyone.
Oh dear.......

And that is all you took from that post? Way to take that literally! If you are getting shot down/blown up by a lvl 10, perhaps you are not as good as you think you are.

ZERO mate you need to cam down read and comprehend. I am not suggesting Korpus agrees with me, I am agreeing with him!
HUZZAH! English, ever reliable and damned tasty - Bang On!
Magic_Pepee
LT Enlisted: 2013-03-25
2016-06-15 19:42 , edited 2016-06-15 19:47 by Magic_Pepee
Trokey66 said:
And that is all you took from that post? Way to take that literally! If you are getting shot down/blown up by a lvl 10, perhaps you are not as good as you think you are.

if a rank 10 casual entirely misses the quad (it doesn't hit me and lands not even close to me) and still kills me because of c4 insane splash radius- what exactly should have I done?

at times you can hit him, and it will dust. at times you can hit a heli that just strafed you, and it will dust. in all three situations i could have been killed by some terribad casual, even though i didn't deserve to die.

what about the awesome ecm fails?
what about mobility hit KIA?
still, by far the worst problem is the tv bug, which is also impossible to avoid, and outright kills you 99% of the time if it happens

the amount of times i was killed because of a silly bug or a downright broken piece of equipment is absurd. it is very rare i can safely say some low rank guy outplayed me. it happens, sure. but it's very rare
Trokey66
GB Enlisted: 2011-11-20
2016-06-15 19:56 , edited 2016-06-15 20:07 by Trokey66
If you die to C4, irrespective of Splash radius, you let him get to close simple as that. It might be hard to take but sometimes even the worst can beat the best. Accept it, learn from it and move on.

With regards to 'net code' issues specifically around dusting, I totally agree. It is especially annoying when we are constantly told to 'git gud' and learn to aim but.......

You cannot buff or nerf a 'thing' because of inconsistent 'lag' because when that lag issue is not present, the buff/nerf designed to compensate is over exaggerated with worse consequences.

I have always said that DICE should be congratulated for innovation in their games. Some work, others such as Mobility hits on all vehicles are b0ll0cks.
HUZZAH! English, ever reliable and damned tasty - Bang On!
Magic_Pepee
LT Enlisted: 2013-03-25
2016-06-15 20:04
i dont care if it's a bug. it gets me killed and they won't fix it. if they don't fix bugs, then i will take them as an intended feature. otherwise, dice needs to get off their arse and fix them.

but we both know that won't happen. they are too busy working on the new cashcow
Trokey66
GB Enlisted: 2011-11-20
2016-06-15 20:06
Pepe8D said:
i dont care if it's a bug. it gets me killed.......
Battlefield mate, Battlefield.
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KorpusDraige
US Enlisted: 2011-10-29
2016-06-15 20:14
It's like this:

Battlefield 4 is almost 3 years old, it never had it's own identity, because it got changed so many times with nerfs and buffs in ALL aspects of the gameplay. DICE already said they are NOT doing anymore work on Battlefield 4 and it was finished. This is what we'll continue to play, if we choose to. Either we can accept that or move onto BF1 with no locks (which is where I'll be, if it's that good) or we can continue to play the same game for another couple of years. The game is done. This is it.

Again, I am in agreement about the locks and I have been pretty vocal before about the active radar and sharing my balancing ideas. Would they ever get realized? No. However, I still think players need the ability to keep aircraft away by any means they can. Not everyone is interested in learning or "mastering" certain vehicles. Personally, I haven't touched a stinger/igla in a public game in over 4 years (including BF3).

Point I am making is... The game you see now, is the finished product. There is no point in us arguing what should change, when nothing more is going to be done.
Jet Help: http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/forum/threadview/2955064784088148876/
Magic_Pepee
LT Enlisted: 2013-03-25
2016-06-15 20:18
they are done with it yet it's rife with bugs and cheaters on official servers...
how typical of ea
KorpusDraige
US Enlisted: 2011-10-29
2016-06-15 20:20
Pepe8D said:
they are done with it yet it's rife with bugs and cheaters on official servers...
how typical of ea


I know. I even made a montage of the glitches lol... But there's really nothing we can do. We either accept it and keep playing or we don't.
Jet Help: http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/forum/threadview/2955064784088148876/
Magic_Pepee
LT Enlisted: 2013-03-25
2016-06-15 20:22 , edited 2016-06-15 20:25 by Magic_Pepee
well, the steam sales are rumored at the end of this month, so i might just buy crap tons of games and ditch this mess of a game.
so i choose your second option

edit: about the glitches. i assume you only took the jet/infantry one's?
tanks have plenty of glitches, some of which people aren't even sure about. like abrams being terribly bad compared to the other two tanks, T90 being by far the best. or the glitchshot (50 damage from front), or a top turret shot doing 50 damage. it's hard to say if this is intended or not at this point. it has been pointed out a million times, and has not been fixed
KorpusDraige
US Enlisted: 2011-10-29
2016-06-15 20:36
Pepe8D said:
well, the steam sales are rumored at the end of this month, so i might just buy crap tons of games and ditch this mess of a game.
so i choose your second option

edit: about the glitches. i assume you only took the jet/infantry one's?
tanks have plenty of glitches, some of which people aren't even sure about. like abrams being terribly bad compared to the other two tanks, T90 being by far the best. or the glitchshot (50 damage from front), or a top turret shot doing 50 damage. it's hard to say if this is intended or not at this point. it has been pointed out a million times, and has not been fixed


Yeah it was just from my personal experience with jets and infantry :p. I mean we can be vocal and whine and cry with the next title if there's bugs and glitches, but right now with BF4, they stated no more patches. :(
Jet Help: http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/forum/threadview/2955064784088148876/
WHISPonPCin240P
US Enlisted: 2013-12-26
2016-06-15 20:39 , edited 2016-06-15 20:40 by WHISPonPCin240P
Looks to me like there's some socialists in the making lol

I absolutely agree that there should be some sort of lock-on to counter air vehicles. People wildy assume because I don't support how they are now, that I don't support their presence in a Battlefield game.

My whole balance plan (and how DICE should balance their game) is:

When there's an absense of skill (such as with lock-ons) there must be teamwork. If someone gets good enough with a skillful weapon (such as an RPG), they should completely be allowed to succeed on their own. This way you don't encourage the low levels who predominately use stiglas to use a lone-wolf style of gameplay from the beginning. Build the base game around the idea that TEAMWORK = SUCCESS, and then have players branch off from there.

I'd personally love to see an engineer-specific PLD in future BF games that must be used in order for stiglas to lock air vehicles.

Also give the MAA bullet drop and recoil, but that's for a different thread.
Frackyou
US Enlisted: 2012-03-31
2016-06-15 21:16 , edited 2016-06-16 02:04 by Frackyou
wildmustacheride said:
doing as he is told, like a good monkey


You actually think Pepe's MLG pro stats are a common thing anywhere in this game? Now I know you are mentally challenged. Even GhostOwl's stats are uncommon among the majority of PC players. Hell, MY stats are above average for the majority of the PC players of this game, and I have never created a second account to show inflated stats, or farmed noob servers.

Overall, KDR aside (extremely easy to over inflate if all you do is vehicles), on average your stats are significantly less than mine, and I have compared them, that is why your blatant lies of how you are superior to me don't hold water. You are a slightly better than average console player, that apparently only plays for KDR. While I am a slightly better than average PC player, that plays for the objective while still maintaining a decent,(just not mlgpro) kdr. I never said I was great. I just said that neither were you and you shouldn't talk noise .
The fact that you can't understand this simple fact is what is giving me so much enjoyment.

But please do keep talking smack, you just keep making yourself look more the fool each time you do.


Oh i missed some stuff-
As for Pepe saying:
looking at his crying, he definitely seems to be one.
Please, show me where I was crying? I said vehicles are easy mode. And you know they are. My linked BR was to prove a point that even someone with less than 20 hours in a vehicle can achieve a fairly high KDR and score, comparatively speaking, easily. I don't complain about them, and I do work around them, often. No, you butted into a conversation that wasn't really about vehicles, but about taking the wind out of an average player talking down to other players like he is something special. I've been fairly consistent in my assertions, just as you have been fairly consistent in not comprehending what I was saying. Funny, that.
I have not made any excuses. All i said that started my fun with what'shisname, was that "pilots don't want a fair fight, that is why they aren't on the ground.". It was made to no-one in particular, but ruffled his feathers something fierce, which is why I started playing with him.
Honestly, you shouldn't have had any reason to even stick your nose in the convo, you obviously didn't understand it. I hope this helps clear the matter up for you.
The_Violator_NZ
NZ Enlisted: 2011-11-04
2016-06-16 02:06
WHISPonPCin240P said:
Looks to me like there's some socialists in the making lol

I absolutely agree that there should be some sort of lock-on to counter air vehicles. People wildy assume because I don't support how they are now, that I don't support their presence in a Battlefield game.

My whole balance plan (and how DICE should balance their game) is:

When there's an absense of skill (such as with lock-ons) there must be teamwork. If someone gets good enough with a skillful weapon (such as an RPG), they should completely be allowed to succeed on their own. This way you don't encourage the low levels who predominately use stiglas to use a lone-wolf style of gameplay from the beginning. Build the base game around the idea that TEAMWORK = SUCCESS, and then have players branch off from there.

I'd personally love to see an engineer-specific PLD in future BF games that must be used in order for stiglas to lock air vehicles.

Also give the MAA bullet drop and recoil, but that's for a different thread.


This has always been the case. PLD + JAVELIN will destroy most things in the game, funny how you never see that combo being used isn't it? Crybabies wanna rely on the beep beep boom, no skill lockon weapons cause they don't have any friends.
I'm bigger and bolder and rougher and tougher, in other words sucker, there is no other. I'm the one and only Violator.
wildmustacheride
Enlisted: 2011-10-26
2016-06-16 02:21 , edited 2016-06-16 02:22 by wildmustacheride
Frackyou said:
You actually think Pepe's MLG pro stats are a common thing anywhere in this game? Now I know you are mentally challenged. Even GhostOwl's stats are uncommon among the majority of PC players.
They aren't MLG pro stats, they are simply the normal stats for a above average-good player. You of course, are not a good player. No matter how desperate you are to pretend otherwise. In fact, you're not even an average player. You're below average.

Frackyou said:
Hell, MY stats are above average for the majority of the PC players of this game, and I have never created a second account to show inflated stats, or farmed noob servers.
And then, because you're such a petty coward, you can't resist trying to get another jab in at your betters, by implying that Pepe and Ghosthowl "inflate stats/farm noobs". You're such trash.

Frackyou said:
Overall, KDR aside (extremely easy to over inflate if all you do is vehicles), on average your stats are significantly less than mine


You keep repeating this after I've destroyed it, are you handicap or just dense?

"on average" your stats are worse then mine in every significant way. You even have the advantage of playing on PC for your duration, where-as I played on a platform that only supported 24 players for the first 500 hours of mine. You should blow my stats away, but you don't, you don't even come close. I mean you're just so bad, it's hilarious.

Frackyou said:
While I am a slightly better than average PC player


Like I said, it's clear your desperate to believe this (and try to make others believe it), but you're not even average. You're below average.

If 1 is the average, and you can't even manage a 1 KPM for 95% of the vehicles, then that makes you below average. You're below average with more things in this game then you are above average with, that's the reality. That's your reality. Deal with it.

But please, keep screaming about how ':qq: vehicles are easy!!1 :qq:' when you can't even manage a 1 KPM with them. We need a good, hearty laugh once and a while :)
The_Violator_NZ
NZ Enlisted: 2011-11-04
2016-06-16 03:37
Both Trokey and Frack You are too stupid to realise when they've been owned. They will just keep arguing and keep trying to claim the victory.

What's the old saying about playing chess with pigeons?
I'm bigger and bolder and rougher and tougher, in other words sucker, there is no other. I'm the one and only Violator.
Trokey66
GB Enlisted: 2011-11-20
2016-06-16 05:58 , edited 2016-06-16 07:19 by Trokey66
The_Violator_NZ said:
Both Trokey and Frack You are too stupid to realise when they've been owned. They will just keep arguing and keep trying to claim the victory.

What's the old saying about playing chess with pigeons?
Aussie mate have you 'learnef to aim' yet and if ZERO is so much better than everyone, why does he only have half my flag cap/defends?

Of course you and ZERO will reply with some inane drivel about how that is wrong but won't actually quantify it.

EDIT: In BF3 I had 37 Laser Designation medals, uou have no idea how depressing it is when no one uses your designation hence I now run the burny thing.
HUZZAH! English, ever reliable and damned tasty - Bang On!
Frackyou
US Enlisted: 2012-03-31
2016-06-16 06:09 , edited 2016-06-16 06:17 by Frackyou
wildmustacheride said:
They aren't MLG pro stats, they are simply the normal stats for a above average-good player.

Ok, now I know you are mentally challenged. It explains how I've been able to punt you around and you still can't figure out how. Keep dancing monkey.
TheyHaveScissors
Enlisted: 2011-11-09
2016-06-16 09:30
Imagine lock times actually got decreased. The missiles fly so slow now they will hit cover on Dawkbreaker and Shanghai. It's kindof pointless because the end result = not hitting target. AA weapons dont down good pilots, nor do the UCAV and the nerfed SRAW.

It's like DICE hates offering pilots a challenge, or offering players an actual functioning toolset to balance things out on every map.
 
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